Participant  0:00  
I want at the beginning, I wanted to to show it where I wanted to go, which is basically a set of notes. And we're going to play up and down and up and down. Yeah. And I did that at the very beginning. But then I started listening back to see what are you picking up? Right to see if if you the system wanted to offer me something back? What the thing was, if it was going to be a pure repetition, or an analogue repetition, or randomization of my notes, or you were going to take me somewhere else away from the set of notes that I picked, right, because I just took I stayed on a pentatonic scale, all the while, up and down. So those are a subset of notes that, you can play with a new very safe to play them in any in a common combination.

Researcher  0:56  
So do you feel that the system responded to you in a different way, or it was an imitation? Or randomise,

Participant  1:05  
I think I felt that the system had one main approach, which I couldn't recognise if it was a randomised repetition. In a secondary nuance that was but I felt was moving away from the octave that I was on. So we can kind of differentiate you know I'm over here. So the system, I felt that the system was going away from where I was, so we could have that kind of separate dialogue. That's what I felt, right?

Researcher  1:38  
Would you like to know for sure how the system works?

Participant  1:41  
No, not really. But I would like to be able to suggest stages, like setups set up your setups have dialogue, let's talk together, let's talk at the same time, let's build up mass of notes. And then let's just give each other space. Right. Okay, it's your turn, I'm going to go and do the bass lines, you go and improvise on top, I would like to have that. Which is the thing of Northern you.

Researcher  2:11  
How can you... can you devise or imagine how that could be in this kind of setting?

Participant:
Without the physical setup? KJust having this sort of input. 

Researcher
You can you can think of, for instance, an appraisal, in which you kind of say, okay, is your storm, like, like,

Participant  2:28  
for the record, I work on virtual reality. So my approach would be physical, with some sort of body attachment, in which the system can understand that I'm looking at it wherever it might be point of origin where the machine is, I'm looking at it, or I'm looking to my instrument, right, whether the instrument is hanging from my chest or in front of me, but when I look at it, it means Alright, let's do this type of dialogue. Now, the secondary, that's the kind of the attention in dialogue, okay, secondary thing would be to establish what the dialogue might be, as in, let's build up together something. Lots of rhythm, or lots of notes have lots of like, massive sound, or the other one, which is Alright, I'm going to give you baselines you play on top. And now I want to go and take the spotlight, you give me some baselines and I'm going to go on top, that second mode, I would say, perhaps could be with a pedal. Because an analogue in physical interpretation with would be the volume pedal, you can increase your volume in the mix, separate from that mix, right? So this this one, you're in control. And if you want to take the spotlight, you go like, give me some, give me some like, give me some space, I'm going to do something, get my back please do have you got out I would say that those two could be devices coming from the virtual reality technology would be useful.

Researcher  3:53  
Nice actually, that link. Can I ask you, how would you feel if the system did the same to you? So, the system has some kind of mechanism to tell you 'please give me space', you know, or try to play go this other way? 

Participant  4:11  
It Would it be great! I mean, I put it in a comment I think that I would have love for it to suggest where it wants to go after it recognises after welcomes me. Probably that would be another stage that I would have loved to have musically. You present something and then you get something back which hopefully is not a repetition of what you just did. Because if it if it shows you the the system shows your with repetition, then it gives you that lead, which is fine when it's good to lead but but it's better to propose, right because then you get something back ends like Okay, cool. You give me that I'll give you this. Let's meet and the next minute. Let's meet there. However we got there. Okay. So I would have would have loved to have noticed, I wouldn't, I wouldn't think that it has to be signalled like I wouldn't expect to, to, you know, a red light come to command and saying the system is trying to lead you. I think that should come from the music and through the music, do you think they will be feel better? Because they want us to dialogue? Okay.

Researcher  5:22  
But you're saying that you can communicate with single eye looking at it or something like that. So, for instance, imagine that we have this system in the windows that is, there is like an avatar, it looks at you is kind of imitating the movements that you're doing. If it looks on you. Yeah, that's when we saw I don't know what.

Participant  5:44  
Yeah, that's one way to go. But I would feel that we need to be to be to pedagogic almost to the character level, like if you have an avatar for a machine that has this physical presence, and I'm describing for the record, the recording and describing a mixing board, a screen, a chair, some lights behind the, the server unit, we have the lights and the keys, it would be it would be funny, in the in the wrong kind of sense, okay, you have a human life avatar, right, I would expect something that actually represents the music. So perhaps, and this is not a metaphor, it could be some sort of liquid, right? Some sort of that is getting is getting into some sort of rhythm. And depending on the intensity, or perhaps even depending on the notes, lower or higher, you get different colours and different swirling in that music. And perhaps when he wants to take the lead or take the spotlight, he feels all the way up. It's like okay, I'm here, right? Just let me show you this. This this and, and fields of, you know, gives way to the next wave of improvisation is not necessarily sound or music or notes. It's the sense of presence. Yeah, in the musical dialogue.

Researcher  7:02  
Perfect. Perfect. Sounds very good. Yeah, I think I asked you the question that I wanted to ask you, thank you so much. Cool game for this. I have just won
